In this podcast, Karen McCall from Karlen Communications chats with David Swayn and Darlene McLennan about the pandemic and its impacts on access to education. Karen is a long standing and respected advocate in the field of accessible documents. Karen is a Microsoft MVP (Most Valued Professional) and an advisor to peak bodies, councils and government departments. During this conversation Karen shares with us her passion for the creation of a global inclusive education standard, some of the pitfalls of the pandemic with regard to accommodation not inclusion, and chats with us about procurement, law vs. attitude and more. Our conversation with Karen is the third in a series “ADCET crosses the ocean” where we bring global perspectives and ideas to our audience.